Escape 21' LE Floor Plan

[gbaglo]

Originally Posted by Marry

Are you the one sleeping on the inside?

I get the outside .

[padlin]

Had a side dinette on our last trailer, we weren't thrilled going to a rear dinette. Now that were used to it it's just fine. It also had a bed that I had to crawl over my wife to get out of, liked that too. I think no matter what it's orientation you'll like it once you get used to it.

[steve dunham]

Originally Posted by Dave&Kathie

We love our rear dinette! It has the best views, we really don't want to look at the tow vehicle while we sip our morning coffee, etc. Also we really were tired of a bed that required crawing over or being crawled over so we immediately liked the 21. The crawl over bed is definately a deal breaker. Next is the bathroom, we love the big bathroom in our 21. Also, love the counter space. The 21LE seems like a big 19. One good thing I can see is if they offer a bunk option, it would be fantasitic for families.

Kathie
PS Can't wait to see the 23!

We agree and that’s why we sold our Casita and bought our Escape 21

1) Eliminate the crawl over at night
2) Large rear window for viewing
3 ) Size / orientation / location of bathroom
4) More countertop area and easily accessible kitchen storage

Just like the Oliver looks a stretched Casita to us ,the Escape 21 LE looks like a stretched Escape 19 .
We seldom eat ,cook or entertain in our trailer so the seating for six holds little interest

We are hoping the new Escape 23 has more kitchen cabinet / countertop / easily accessible storage space , a slightly larger rear dinette ( 4 more inches would sure help) , a slightly larger bathroom and some other minor upgrades .
It seems most of the additional space will be consumed by the walk around queen bed , which by itself is not reason enough for us to upgrade .

We shall wait and see ?

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by padlin

I think no matter what it's orientation you'll like it once you get used to it.

We all naturally seem to justify what what we are invested in. I am thankful for the options that manufacturers provide and try to objectively (to the extent possible) see the pros and cons of each layout. As long as the trailer meets your core needs and you are enjoying yourself it really doesn’t matter where the bed, bath or dinette is in my opinion.

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by Dave&Kathie

The 21LE seems like a big 19.

Originally Posted by steve dunham

Just like the Oliver looks a stretched Casita to us ,the Escape 21 LE looks like a stretched Escape 19.

I’m not sure what everyone expected. ETI said the 21 LE would be a 21 based on the 19 layout and that’s exactly what it is.

[Marry]

Originally Posted by rubicon327

I’m not sure what everyone expected. ETI said the 21 LE would be a 21 based on the 19 layout and that’s exactly what it is.

Right.
Something doesn’t make sense though. The 2 feet extra is somehow lost, hiding.
Yes, the dinette is bigger, now seating six. But what is the size of a normal kitchen chair? Mine at home isn’t 2 feet wide.....
Simply said: where is the extra 2 feet hiding?

[Donna D.]

Originally Posted by Marry

Right.
Something doesn’t make sense though. The 2 feet extra is somehow lost, hiding.
Yes, the dinette is bigger, now seating six. But what is the size of a normal kitchen chair? Mine at home isn’t 2 feet wide.....
Simply said: where is the extra 2 feet hiding?

The rear of the trailer when from 48" wide (21' dinette) to 80" wide (19' queen mattress). And that's a big reason the kitchen is much smaller too compared to the standard 21'

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

The rear of the trailer when from 48" wide (21' dinette) to 80" wide (19' queen mattress). And that's a big reason the kitchen is much smaller too compared to the standard 21'

Donna I think you mean 60” if you are comparing to the width of the queen. 80” is across the trailer. I think part of the issue here is they want to use the current 21’ mold so there is no way to adjust the position of the door. We are also basing a lot off of a quick sneak peak at the new layout. I’m sure they are refining things in the mock up.

[Donna D.]

Originally Posted by rubicon327

Donna I think you mean 60” if you are comparing to the width of the queen. 80” is across the trailer. I think part of the issue here is they want to use the current 21’ mold so there is no way to adjust the position of the door. We are also basing a lot off of a quick sneak peak at the new layout. I’m sure they are refining things in the mock up.

D'oh You're right I mixed up the length and width. But that's still where a foot went...

[cpaharley2008]

and it is 18" of space, not 24". so other than extra 12" for bed, the rest went to the front.

[escape artist]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

D'oh You're right I mixed up the length and width. But that's still where a foot went...

Hi: Donna D... I want a trailer that's as big as a 40 footer on the inside, and as small as a 5.0TA on the outside. That'll really be putting your "Foot" in it!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie

[Marry]

Now, what if ETI would put the bed in the front. (Like a 19’s reversed floor plan)
Would a queen bed fit in the front? And would people be interested in that layout?
You would end up with a larger counter space, and extra storage on driver’s side.
(Just dreaming away here....)

[Donna D.]

Originally Posted by Marry

Now, what if ETI would put the bed in the front. (Like a 19’s reversed floor plan)
Would a queen bed fit in the front? And would people be interested in that layout?
You would end up with a larger counter space, and extra storage on driver’s side.
(Just dreaming away here....)

I think the bathroom then becomes a problem. A side bath won't work, because it could end up right over the wheel wells. The front dinette is supposedly 55" and a queen bed 60". Those five inches would push the toilet further toward the rear...

[Marry]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

I think the bathroom then becomes a problem. A side bath won't work, because it could end up right over the wheel wells. The front dinette is supposedly 55" and a queen bed 60". Those five inches would push the toilet further toward the rear...

Those wheel wells would end up sitting the same as what we have now in our 19. And yes, part of the wheel well will be in the bathroom under the sink. But that is not a problem. Only a little piece would be in the bathroom, under the sink. Just like we have now.
Just like you said: the 55” might be the problem. A queen five inches short

[Donna D.]

Originally Posted by Marry

Those wheel wells would end up sitting the same as what we have now in our 19. And yes, part of the wheel well will be in the bathroom under the sink. But that is not a problem. Only a little piece would be in the bathroom, under the sink. Just like we have now.
Just like you said: the 55” might be the problem. A queen five inches short

Everything is speculation. But those five inches (for a queen bed) would have to come from somewhere. I have the same side bath in my 5.0TA. I can't image the wheel well being any closer to the toilet. Five inches doesn't seem like much, but it is when you're talking about a place to put your feet.

[Marry]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

Everything is speculation. But those five inches (for a queen bed) would have to come from somewhere. I have the same side bath in my 5.0TA. I can't image the wheel well being any closer to the toilet. Five inches doesn't seem like much, but it is when you're talking about a place to put your feet.

Yep, little room can’t get any smaller. Totally agree.
Would be the measurement from the door to the front 60”, this all could work. When less then 60”, the queen in the front is out.
I measured our 19 door to front. 42 inches. Which makes me wonder where the extra 2 feet is sitting. (Now our Escape is first generation with the smaller door. So that be a factor as well.
Anyhow, ETI probably thought this all through. Let’s just wait and see.
But it’s nice dreaming....

[gbaglo]

As the story goes, the chief photographer at the paper designed the new darkrooms all by himself. He drew straight lines, using a ruler and an HB pencil. The problem is, he didn't account for the width of the cinder block walls.

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by Marry

Now, what if ETI would put the bed in the front. (Like a 19’s reversed floor plan)
Would a queen bed fit in the front? And would people be interested in that layout?
You would end up with a larger counter space, and extra storage on driver’s side.
(Just dreaming away here....)

I had a trailer with the bed like that at the front door, the one just beside our 19,and we did not like the bed beside the front dior like that, for our style very inconvenient for us. The biggest reason was my wife, who sleeps at least an hour longer than me, was bothered by my coming and going in the morning with noise and cold air.

But, we all differ in what is important and what works for ourselves. Thus the many models of RVs.

[Bear101]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

and it is 18" of space, not 24". so other than extra 12" for bed, the rest went to the front.

I think Jim is correct here and as he pointed out previously thee is extra storage in the dinette area as well, presumably, as the storage under the bed as there is in the 19. So yes a stretched 19

[cpaharley2008]

Originally Posted by Marry

Yep, little room can’t get any smaller. Totally agree.
Would be the measurement from the door to the front 60”, this all could work. When less then 60”, the queen in the front is out.
I measured our 19 door to front. 42 inches. Which makes me wonder where the extra 2 feet is sitting. (Now our Escape is first generation with the smaller door. So that be a factor as well.
Anyhow, ETI probably thought this all through. Let’s just wait and see.
But it’s nice dreaming....

Marry, please read #99, it is not 2 feet.....