Composting toilet in an Escape 19 - Escape Trailer Owners Community

Go Back   Escape Trailer Owners Community > Escape Tech > Modifications and Alterations
Click Here to Login
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 07-24-2020, 02:29 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 15
Composting toilet in an Escape 19

Would like the forgo the hassle of using a toilet and backwater tank by installing a composting toilet. Can the trailer be ordered WITHOUT a toilet? Or, if not (or when purchasing a used unit), is out easy to remove the stock toilet and cap the opening/lines?
__________________

DanielK is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 04:50 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
TTMartin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Punta Gorda, Florida
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 302
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielK View Post
Would like the forgo the hassle of using a toilet and backwater tank by installing a composting toilet. Can the trailer be ordered WITHOUT a toilet? Or, if not (or when purchasing a used unit), is out easy to remove the stock toilet and cap the opening/lines?
Composting toilets require near daily emptying of a bottle of urine. And are you going to empty the partially composted fecal matter into compost pile at home after every trip?

Composting toilets are okay for cabins on properties without a septic system. But, as a rule are terrible for mobile installation. Most mobile installs end up dumping the partially composted fecal matter in the trash. This not only removes it from the sewage system that is designed to process it. It adds unnecessary bulk to landfills. This is because not only are you adding fecal matter to the landfill, you're adding the bulky 'composting material'.

So between the near daily emptying of urine, and adding unnecessary bulk to land fills, composting toilets are neither convenient, nor eco friendly.
__________________

TTMartin is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 06:25 AM   #3
Site Team
 
padlin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: 5.0 TA #6, 2012 F150 EB
Posts: 6,678
Daniel, you can do a search of composting toilet using the google search tool at the top of the page, see attached.

Here's one thread from the search.https://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f...ion-12866.html
__________________
Happy Motoring
Bob
padlin is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 06:51 AM   #4
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: St Augustine, Florida
Trailer: none
Posts: 12
Check out C-Head
sofmerc is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 10:47 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: White Bird, Idaho
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19, "Zen Purple", 2017 4X4 Chevy Colorado/Duramax
Posts: 264
Quote:
Originally Posted by TTMartin View Post
Composting toilets require near daily emptying of a bottle of urine. And are you going to empty the partially composted fecal matter into compost pile at home after every trip?

Composting toilets are okay for cabins on properties without a septic system. But, as a rule are terrible for mobile installation. Most mobile installs end up dumping the partially composted fecal matter in the trash. This not only removes it from the sewage system that is designed to process it. It adds unnecessary bulk to landfills. This is because not only are you adding fecal matter to the landfill, you're adding the bulky 'composting material'.

So between the near daily emptying of urine, and adding unnecessary bulk to land fills, composting toilets are neither convenient, nor eco friendly.
In my county in Idaho, it is not legal to dump anything from a toilet into a dumpster. River trips taking off the Snake and Salmon Rivers are prohibited from doing so, even with systems that are supposed to render the waste inert (e.g. WAG bags). Fortunately, the Forest Service and BLM installed SCAT machines near 2 takeouts for cleaning portable toilets, so there is less of a problem than there was prior to these machines.

Having been a river runner for many years now, and having had to deal with disposing of waste from a portable toilet and cleaning the thing (both with and without a SCAT machine), all I can say is dumping the black tank in my 19 is like a dream come true. It empties itself, it cleans itself (with water and treatment added), and it does so without smell and a visual. I can't imagine why anyone would want to deal with a composter in their camper. The idea is appealing, but maybe the reality not so?? I know there are folks here on the forum who have done it, however, so I'll be interested to see what, if anything, they post!
salmo7000 is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 11:41 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
HABBERDABBER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Madison area, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2016 Escape 19
Posts: 264
Too much of a "hassle".

Many composting units utilize an exhaust fan to reduce odor and speed evaporation of liquids. This would be a constant & sizable draw on your battery if boon docking

Do as you please, but I put this mod as a gobsmacking impractical notion, and not without its own multitude of hassles.
HABBERDABBER is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 01:14 PM   #7
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 15
This is not a debate!

Please refer to the original post. I am NOT here to debate the merits of composting toilets, laws, customs, ethics, morality, etc. I am only here to ask how it can be done and if anyone has experience doing what I知 trying to do.

If you have anything to contribute to a discussion about how to accomplish this project, I would love your input. Thanks in advance!
DanielK is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 01:19 PM   #8
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 15
I love gobsmacking. Takes me back to a simpler time.
DanielK is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 01:24 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: White Bird, Idaho
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19, "Zen Purple", 2017 4X4 Chevy Colorado/Duramax
Posts: 264
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielK View Post
Please refer to the original post. I am NOT here to debate the merits of composting toilets, laws, customs, ethics, morality, etc. I am only here to ask how it can be done and if anyone has experience doing what I知 trying to do.

If you have anything to contribute to a discussion about how to accomplish this project, I would love your input. Thanks in advance!
Sorry!! I知 actually interested in hearing from people who have done it. If this is a good system to consider, I think everyone would be interested in hearing about it. I知 pretty sure there are some folks on this forum who have done it. Maybe do a search to see if there are any past threads discussing this topic??
salmo7000 is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 01:37 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
dfandrews's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2015 Escape 17A -- "The Pullman"
Posts: 2,050
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielK View Post
Would like the forgo the hassle of using a toilet and backwater tank by installing a composting toilet. Can the trailer be ordered WITHOUT a toilet? ...........

That is a question only ETI can answer (and they do not regularly respond on this forum).
__________________
Don & Teresa
2015 17A: 2011 Honda Pilot
In Orbe Terrum Non Visi / RLTW
dfandrews is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 01:56 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Ronn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Eagan, Minnesota
Trailer: 5.0 TA June 14, 2019.
Posts: 564
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielK View Post
Please refer to the original post. I am NOT here to debate the merits of composting toilets, laws, customs, ethics, morality, etc. I am only here to ask how it can be done and if anyone has experience doing what I知 trying to do.

If you have anything to contribute to a discussion about how to accomplish this project, I would love your input. Thanks in advance!
I understand your frustration Daniel, BUT I have learned tons on this forum and hearing opinions for and against helps with my education (I believe that is one of the purposes of the forum). Not everyone experiences the world the same way and what is right for some doesn't necessarily translate to what is best for all.

I am unfamiliar with compost toilets and have learned things already due to your post.

You are not alone, one of my earliest post involved buying a 2 wheel drive pickup vs a 4 wheel drive. Either there were too few two wheel drive pickup owners or they didn't speak up. Many of the answers involved how the 4 wheel drive saved someone from getting stuck or from needing the tow (but how do they know that a 2 wheel with proper tires and locking rear end would have gotten stuck?). I bought a 2 wheel drive with the anti-lock differential, put Nokian All Weather Tires (All Weather, not All Season tires) have had it through 2 winters in Minnesota plus numerous campsites. Both of us drive it in the winter (we haven't added any weight into the box) and we haven't gotten even close to being stuck. Works well for us but I know the majority want 4 wheel drive for varying reasons.

Your topic is a good one for this forum, hopefully it doesn't get off track like some have recently. Oh no, did I just take this off track?
__________________
The Sweet Suite
Ronn and Colleen
Ronn is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 02:09 PM   #12
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 15
BTW, I posted nearly the same question to the Modifications section, where I think this topic is best suited. Is there a way to remove this thread to avoid duplicate postings?
DanielK is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 02:10 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
TTMartin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Punta Gorda, Florida
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 302
Quote:
Originally Posted by salmo7000 View Post
Sorry!! I’m actually interested in hearing from people who have done it. If this is a good system to consider, I think everyone would be interested in hearing about it. I’m pretty sure there are some folks on this forum who have done it. Maybe do a search to see if there are any past threads discussing this topic??
NO it is NOT a 'good system'.

I have a Sprinter van that I have self-converted to a camper. Composting toilets were very popular in #vanlife. They were a big fad in van conversions. So over the last 2 years, I have thoroughly researched composting toilets as an option to install in my van conversion and have followed the social media of many composting toilet users.

If they can get past the cognitive dissonance caused by spending almost $1000 USD on a Nature's Head toilet, most who have had long term composting toilet installs in vans admit they aren't all they cracked up to be.

Many people turn to them because they sound 'eco friendly', the reality is they are not. They also sound less 'gross' to empty than a porta-pottie, they aren't because you deal with a container of urine almost daily, and when it come time to actually change out the partially composted fecal matter, reality sets in.

The 'fad' has also caused places that previously allowed RVs overnight in their parking lots to start to restrict them because there is a belief in compost toilet users that you can simply dump your urine container out in the nearest bush or planting.

You can't just ask to hear the good, as I said, it is very hard for someone to admit they wasted $1000 on a composting toilet. Yes, as they are less of a fad prices have fallen, and yes there are ways to make your own, that still doesn't change they aren't all they cracked up to be.

For a good read on cognitive dissonance: The REAL Reason that Canon vs. Nikon Will Never Die
TTMartin is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 03:03 PM   #14
Site Team
 
padlin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: 5.0 TA #6, 2012 F150 EB
Posts: 6,678
Thread moved per OP
__________________
Happy Motoring
Bob
padlin is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 03:05 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
PGDriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Southern Alberta, Alberta
Trailer: 2015 Escape 5.0TA
Posts: 1,721
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielK View Post
Would like the forgo the hassle of using a toilet and backwater tank by installing a composting toilet. Can the trailer be ordered WITHOUT a toilet? Or, if not (or when purchasing a used unit), is out easy to remove the stock toilet and cap the opening/lines?

I知 sure you can order the trailer with no toilet or ask to have it not installed and save it in case you change your mind.
One thing there really isn稚 any extra hassle in dealing with the black tank as you still have to dump your grey tank so it痴 really just another handle to pull.
If you dump the black first then the grey your hose will also be fairly clean.

Just some food for thought.
__________________
Cheers
Doug
PGDriver is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 03:10 PM   #16
Site Team
 
rbryan4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
Trailer: 2015 19 "Past Tents", 2018 F150 2.7L Ecoboost
Posts: 9,640
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielK View Post
Please refer to the original post. I am NOT here to debate the merits of composting toilets, laws, customs, ethics, morality, etc. I am only here to ask how it can be done and if anyone has experience doing what I知 trying to do.

If you have anything to contribute to a discussion about how to accomplish this project, I would love your input. Thanks in advance!
If you don't want a debate about it, the only way to avoid that would be to not start a new thread on it. The issue of composting toilets has been discussed here before, and it always leads to debate. I'd suggest you do a site search for other threads dealing with the same topic, such as here and here for starters. The first link documents a composting toilet install.
__________________
"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy an RV. And that is pretty close."
rbryan4 is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 04:30 PM   #17
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Ridgway, Colorado
Trailer: 2018,5.0 TA
Posts: 39
This is worth watching, I know it has been posted before. Composting toilet in a sprinter van rv.

Pretty funny!

Calling them a composting toilet is really false advertising. The poo is never in there long enough to even start composting. It is all going into the trash unless you are using a composting toilet system at home and can compost it once you get home. And you won't be forgoing any hassle.
DanandDaphne is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 08:02 PM   #18
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: St Augustine, Florida
Trailer: none
Posts: 12
They are actually considered dessicating toilets rather than composting
sofmerc is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 08:04 PM   #19
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by TTMartin View Post
Composting toilets require near daily emptying of a bottle of urine. And are you going to empty the partially composted fecal matter into compost pile at home after every trip?

Composting toilets are okay for cabins on properties without a septic system. But, as a rule are terrible for mobile installation. Most mobile installs end up dumping the partially composted fecal matter in the trash. This not only removes it from the sewage system that is designed to process it. It adds unnecessary bulk to landfills. This is because not only are you adding fecal matter to the landfill, you're adding the bulky 'composting material'.

So between the near daily emptying of urine, and adding unnecessary bulk to land fills, composting toilets are neither convenient, nor eco friendly.
Ideally, it would finish composting on-site. If that’s not an option, there are plenty of RV waste receptacles. Adding extra fluids complicates the process and diminishes the clean water remaining in the world. In a way similar to using Reverse Osmosis. Cleaning water by using up water. Fine for the rich, but what about the rest of the world? I am willing to shoulder some responsibility for my waste and the water I am trying to protect.
DanielK is offline  
Old 07-24-2020, 08:07 PM   #20
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by dfandrews View Post
That is a question only ETI can answer (and they do not regularly respond on this forum).
Thanks. I’ll figure it out. I’m not the first.
__________________

DanielK is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Escape Trailer Industries or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.
×