Grey tank drain line separation

[Telescopist]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

The unusual location of the heat register may have been because the first furnace was a type of furnace called a gravity furnace. They lacked the forced air component of modern furnaces. The positioning and ducting of them was much less flexible than that of modern units.

Renovating old houses can be likened to pealing back time. The bones of old houses often reveal secrets about their past. I have a collection of old marbles that somehow ended up between plaster and lath, in cold air return registers, and sub floors. Wallpaper specialists in the early part of the 20th century liked to leave their marks on walls which had been freshly plastered. I have images in faded pencil on walls which we scraped/steamed wallpaper off of. "Sized Jan 10, 1918 - Wilbur Stoltzfus".

One time I was prepping a floor in an apartment building I own. Prepping it for new carpet. Where a steam radiator had been located the oak floor had sunk in. Some of the wood was rotten. The plan was to replace this small section of floor before laying the carpet. When I removed the boards I was startled to see this old wood box. It could have been an old cigar box but there wasn't anything on the outside to give a clue what it used to hold. The box was nailed shut with machined cut tapered nails. I pried it open. Inside was an envelope and in the envelope was a folded piece of paper. Written in pencil was the date, "Apr 10, 1904". Underneath the date was one word: "Nuts". Some worker's idea of a practical joke hidden away for over 110 years.

The duct I closed in was not an original gravity fed register. Although you make a good point about the rational for strategically placing one in that spot. There was however an orphan register located right on the hearth of the fireplace. Why someone would put a heat register of any type there I have no clue. Some of the things they did in the 'old days' are real head scratchers. I have run into a couple of gravity fed registers located in the top riser to the 2nd and third floors. There are a lot of old houses in Lancaster.

Good job saving the old floor. A lot of folks would have just put some other flooring over it. Even "wood look" laminate.
Ron

Thanks. I like to save architectural details when I can.

[Iowa Dave]

I grew up in and later owned a house built in about 1879. It had a converted coal furnace that was functional when I was a kid and then converted to natural gas. The guy who delivered coal to us and shoveled it into the downstairs bin only had one arm, but he could sling coal with anyone. His name was Rupert Johnson and he drove a 1956 three tone Dodge. I can see him and hear him to this day. His sleeve pinned back up to his shirt and he had a right forearm like I’ve never seen since. Our furnace was a gravity furnace and once converted to gas, the thermostat worked via a thermopile. So since there was no forced air blower, if the electricity went off in the winter we still had heat and lit the house with a couple Aladdin lamps.
We had an icehouse at the filling station with block ice the year round so refrigeration was only about 6 blocks away if we lost power to the Crosley shelve-a-door at the house. When I renovated the kitchen in about 1990 and took up some old flooring I found a brand new 1936 dime lost or left between the joists by a previous workman. There was not much rock wool insulation in the walls and when I was insulating an unheated bedroom I removed the lath and plaster and found about 200 black walnuts stored between the full dimension studs where a squirrel apparently had access one fall, years before. Lots of stories and even more memories when you grow up in an old old house with two brothers, renters in the front half, and 17 kids on just your block. Looking back, the 50s were golden to me and as the song says “these are the good old days”.
Iowa Dave

[Rossue]

Carly Simon sang These Are The Good Old Days; great song. A bigger hit was You're So Vain.

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by Rossue

Carly Simon sang These Are The Good Old Days; great song...

That was a lyric in the song for sure, but the song was 'Anticipation'.

[Iowa Dave]

I remember my boss in Council Bluffs bringing the album to a party with Anticipation on it. I heard the words but it took a lot years before I realized how true they were. Always looking for a finer experience that completely met all preconceived expectations, while overlooking the wonderful experience at hand. Clayne Jensen had some valid and well written thoughts on the complete recreation experience. I eventually realized I should endeavor to enjoy the moment at hand and the memories for years to come, instead of thinking to myself “Next time”.
Heavy, I know. Thanks for the Carly Simon prompt.
Iowa Dave

[lorrie]

Originally Posted by Telescopist

Sorry for the delayed response Lori. The first model I bought cost @$39.00. I bought it at a chain tool discount outlet called Harbor Freight. They ship to Canada but you probably have a similar type outfit in your region. Makita came out with a cordless type and I jumped on it. Mainly because years ago I committed to the family of hand held 18 volt battery operated tools in the Makita line. You'll get as many opinions about which company makes the best cordless power tools as there are companies of course. I like Ryobi equipment and Festool is absolutely on the top shelf but so are the prices. If all your looking for is a cheapo multitool where you need to use an Allen wrench to attach the cutters, the Chinese made "Chicago" brand products are just fine. I used one for years before switching to a Makita.

Thank you . Makita it is then.

[Centex]

I ran across favorable mention of this product in a context totally unrelated to the subject of this thread, posting just FYI, maybe of interest to some:

Plasti-Mend – Repair, Reuse, Recycle

The use-instructions are rather lengthy, specific, and detailed

• I have no affiliation, etc
• I have no experience with the product
• I have no idea of the plastics used for various Escape tanks / pipes
• Only posting FYI, it's up to anyone interested to do their own due diligence

[Telescopist]

Originally Posted by Centex

I ran across favorable mention of this product in a context totally unrelated to the subject of this thread, posting just FYI, maybe of interest to some:

Plasti-Mend – Repair, Reuse, Recycle

The use-instructions are rather lengthy, specific, and detailed

• I have no affiliation, etc
• I have no experience with the product
• I have no idea of the plastics used for various Escape tanks / pipes
• Only posting FYI, it's up to anyone interested to do their own due diligence

Good catch. I'll look into it later on. As far as I've gotten is to place plumbing tools and supplies in the trailer. Kudos to Tom from the Republic of Texas for information on the Hepvo valve and his Pics.

[Treat Hull]

A question was raised in an earlier post whether it appeared to be tension or shear. There is a third alternative which may be the most likely - vibration. If that is the case, a rubber coupling would be a very good idea to isolate the joint from a vibrating pipe run.

[Treat Hull]

A question was raised in an earlier post whether it appeared to be tension or shear. There is a third alternative which may be the most likely - vibration. If that is the case, a rubber coupling would be a very good idea to isolate the joint from a vibrating pipe run.

[Dcboyd]

My new 21c arrived yesterday on a flatbed. Of course all grey and fresh water tanks are empty. While crawling under the trailer I noticed that the tanks bottom are about 1/2” above the bottom of the support straps. I can slip my fingers between the poly tanks and the support straps. Is this normal? Seems to me as weight is added this will cause undue stresses on all piping, until load is taken into straps.

If not normal, may need to get some rubber floor mat at TSC and cut into 3” widths and insert between tank and straps for support.

[Eggscape]

I can’t help with the way mine came from the factory as I did not look. However in 2018 the showroom model 19 looked like this. I would not expect that it had received a full load of water yet.

Once full of water you can expect the center of the tank will sag down almost 1/2 inch below the straps.

[Dcboyd]

Originally Posted by Eggscape

I can’t help with the way mine came from the factory as I did not look. However in 2018 the showroom model 19 looked like this. I would not expect that it had received a full load of water yet.

Once full of water you can expect the center of the tank will sag down almost 1/2 inch below the straps.

I have 1/2 “ all the way from corner to corner. Not just in 5he middle. That’s my concern.

Maybe they were not snugged up. I will see if I can do that tomorrow.

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by Dcboyd

My new 21c arrived yesterday on a flatbed. Of course all grey and fresh water tanks are empty. While crawling under the trailer I noticed that the tanks bottom are about 1/2” above the bottom of the support straps. I can slip my fingers between the poly tanks and the support straps. Is this normal? Seems to me as weight is added this will cause undue stresses on all piping, until load is taken into straps.

If not normal, may need to get some rubber floor mat at TSC and cut into 3” widths and insert between tank and straps for support.

Doesn’t sound normal. The tanks I’ve seen have their straps pretty snug to the tank. I would send a picture to Escape.

[Eggscape]

Yes I would send a picture as Dave said before you fill. Just to get the OK

With water it will hit the straps as it is a lot of weight.

Once it does hit the straps it will then sag up to 1/2 in the middle below the straps. Maybe not right away...but give it time.

[Dcboyd]

Originally Posted by Eggscape

Yes I would send a picture as Dave said before you fill. Just to get the OK

With water it will hit the straps as it is a lot of weight.

Once it does hit the straps it will then sag up to 1/2 in the middle below the straps. Maybe not right away...but give it time.

I will send a pict to Escape. I am not concerned with middle sag, it’s the unsupported corners.

Thanks

[NEWYORKHILLBILLY]

Originally Posted by Dcboyd

My new 21c arrived yesterday on a flatbed. Of course all grey and fresh water tanks are empty. While crawling under the trailer I noticed that the tanks bottom are about 1/2” above the bottom of the support straps. I can slip my fingers between the poly tanks and the support straps. Is this normal? Seems to me as weight is added this will cause undue stresses on all piping, until load is taken into straps.

If not normal, may need to get some rubber floor mat at TSC and cut into 3” widths and insert between tank and straps for support.

I not sure on the 21 . Here is a picture of my 19 before it was sprayed foamed.

[Dcboyd]

Originally Posted by NEWYORKHILLBILLY

I not sure on the 21 . Here is a picture of my 19 before it was sprayed foamed.

Looks like tanks were filled beforefoaming. 👍

[NEWYORKHILLBILLY]

Originally Posted by Dcboyd

Looks like tanks were filled beforefoaming. 👍

I hadn't noticed that.I think you right . I guess that would make since other wise the foam might crack after you fill the tanks.

[Dcboyd]

Crawled under my 21 to look at the Hepvo valve they installed for the shower drain line. I was looking at it and a big chunk was out of the side of the ABS coupler. Enough that all the attaching threads of the Hepvo valve were exposed.
Removed it as it was easy to do, and repaired it.
Lol. They left 5he existing P-trap in place.

ETI plumbers need some more education.