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Old 02-22-2014, 11:37 PM   #51
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I have never ingested the water in my fresh water tank for personal use other than perhaps brushing my teeth and then I avoid ingesting it. It's use is for the bathroom and kitchen. I always carry water for drinking and coffee and the dogs in a potable water container. That taste you get from the water lines Donna is a combination of the plastic chemicals and the water and you will always have that, regardless of antifreeze use. I would never purposely use water that sat outside in a container for more than a couple of days to avoid stagnation and that is what happens to your fresh and hot water tanks. This has happened in every trailer I have owned (7) in the past 6 years, the taste is there with or without antifreeze.
Water piping is plastic in modern homes - that PEX stuff was not invented for RVs. I really don't think PEX piping adds any taste to the water. I believe that RV fresh water tanks are generally polyethylene (are the Escape freshwater tanks PE?); PET (like a single-use pop or water bottle) would be ideal, but I'm not convinced that polyethylene adds any taste. Everyone who carries drinking water separately puts it in some sort of plastic container, so at least some plastics can apparently be used without a taste issue.

We are currently using a motorhome (hoping to return to small trailers and thus likely an Escape in the future). We drink the water from the motorhome's system, and have no issues with taste. I have never added antifreeze to the fresh water system (only the drains), but that may have been done the winter between when it was built and when we bought it.

For drinking water in our rural home (where the well water has too much mineral and iron content to be pleasant for drinking) I use 26L Aqua-Tainers. It is made of HDPE (high-density polyethylene), and we do not notice any plastic taste - perhaps others are more sensitive. We used this in our trailer (with a 30-year-old freshwater tank filled from less-than-ideal sources). I believe that this container is a decent choice for those wanting to carry separate drinking water (or water when the trailer system is winterized) in their Escape.
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Old 02-22-2014, 11:49 PM   #52
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One thing to remember is that undiluted antifreeze will freeze at a higher temperature than when it's diluted with water ...
That's true if you antifreeze is straight glycol (such as antifreeze sold for cars), but would I don't think that would apply to any plumbing antifreeze.

A line of typical RV plumbing antifreeze products is made by Recochem. Their product page for one of them includes these sections, and the pages for all four versions (or at least brandings) of their plumbing antifreeze contain similar statements:
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The plumbing antifreeze is a mixture of propylene glycol, alcohols and water.
So the glycol is already diluted; alcohol is not improved by dilution
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Care should be taken to make sure as much water as possible is drained from the plumbing system before adding Economical R.V. Plumbing Antifreeze. Dilution caused by water remaining in traps and pipes will reduce the level of burst protection.
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Old 02-23-2014, 10:49 AM   #53
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I too have no issue at all with using fresh water from the tank for consumption. As Brian stated, it is the same piping used in all homes for a bunch of years now. I bring filtered water to use for my coffee, but that is only because I am a coffee snob, and do the same at home.
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Old 02-23-2014, 11:13 AM   #54
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I have copper water pipe in my sticks 'n bricks. I think the nastiness comes about from water just sitting in the plastic pipe for days/weeks/months. Kinda like looking down inside some of the fresh water tank pictures I've seen. Gross. All manner of things growing... I'm not a germ-ophobe. I believe we need to be subjected to stuff to build immunity. But still, not only do I wash my hands and cover my mouth, I won't purposely drink fouled water. (This from someone who learned to swim in a cattle trough!)
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Most homes in metro areas with public water have copper or galvanized, normally the plastic pipes are found in areas of wells or private water systems. Metal pipes do not do well with acidic well water.
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Not an expert on the subject by any means but from my observations on new home construction in this area it seems like the PEX tubing is being used more now than copper!
Quicker and easier to install and modify down the road if needed. Not only that but it is also color coded for hot and cold.
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Most homes in metro areas with public water have copper or galvanized, normally the plastic pipes are found in areas of wells or private water systems. Metal pipes do not do well with acidic well water.
My rural house on well water has copper pipes, because that's what was used in the 1970's. Although a large fraction of existing homes are still plumbed in copper, and very old ones (by our standards here, where several decades is very old) have galvanized iron, that's just a matter of age. The old houses with galvanized water supply pipes might have cast iron drain pipes, and both are plastic (PEX supply and ABS drain) now.

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Not an expert on the subject by any means but from my observations on new home construction in this area it seems like the PEX tubing is being used more now than copper!
I agree; indeed, I think it would be very surprising to find anyone paying the premium (in both materials and labour) for copper plumbing now, at least here in Alberta.
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Not an expert on the subject by any means but from my observations on new home construction in this area it seems like the PEX tubing is being used more now than copper!
Quicker and easier to install and modify down the road if needed. Not only that but it is also color coded for hot and cold.
It is also lest like to leak being acid resistant. My daughter had to re-plumb there entire house due to leaks springing up in the copper pipes.
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Most homes in metro areas with public water have copper or galvanized, normally the plastic pipes are found in areas of wells or private water systems. Metal pipes do not do well with acidic well water.
Around here anyways, galvanized has not been used for waterlines since the 50's, and is by far the worst option, as it does still corrode, and water can be left quite tainted. Copper was used since then, and worked great. It is still used in some cases. About 25 years ago, when Poly B (plastic) came on the market. The Poly B had it's failings too, and was disapproved for use. Following that, and starting near 20 years ago was the introduction of PEX piping for water in homes. PEX is used in almost every home for many years now, and has proven to be a good product, and cheaper and quicker to install than copper.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:43 PM   #60
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Nice summary, Jim.

Although the earlier plastic pipe - which I believe was polybutylene (Poly B or just PB for short) - was a disappointment, it was put in a lot of houses and RVs with success. There is some in my house, operating for almost 40 years without failure. It disappeared long before Escape started production, but was popular when my Boler was built... and that grey plumbing is still there, still with no problems. The PEX stuff is much better, and so it certainly seems like the right thing to have in our trailers.

I don't think the polybutylene had a taste problem, either, although it had problems with chlorine... there's no chlorine in my well-supplied house, but our trailer has certainly seen chlorinated water.
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