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Old 03-16-2017, 09:33 PM   #1001
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We do use the top of the wardrobe in our trailer as a spot to hand off food etc that's going in or out of the trailer. If it was alongside the wardrobe it would block entry and exit except for really thin people.
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:13 AM   #1002
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Regarding 17B photos 2 postings above:Thanks for posting these. We are working up a build sheet due in June. We are wondering about your thought process for the extension off the wardrobe. Would you use it for dining only or is it out of the way enough to allow for passage in and out and could also be used as a landing spot for papers,keys,etc?
We think we will go with the 4 cu ft refrig as it would seem to allow enough room for us based on the photos.
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To frame my thoughts on this, I will first mention that we're a family of 4 (kids aged 1.5 and 5). I think it's important to have separate spaces sometimes, especially as the kids get older, so as much as possible I'd like to leave the front and rear dinettes uncluttered so that people can use them. That leaves the wardrobe counter as the only place to put horizontal items while not in direct use. I'm not a big fan of clutter, but I do think having a little bit of space to temporarily place/organize items that will be used in the near future has merit. With kids we'll have things like artwork, art supplies, maps, "treasures" found outside, brochures, papers, etc. Keys, headlamps, magnifying lenses, hats, jackets, etc will go on hooks.

I plan to only use the wardrobe countertop extension for short periods of time while cooking. Cooking is something that I enjoy doing, and I like to make slightly more elaborate meals than just the basics. Even in a house, I tend to always want more countertop than what's available. With the wardrobe countertop potentially cluttered, I liked the idea of having some instant additional countertop space that by necessity can't become cluttered because it will at the very least impede entry/exit when it's flipped up.

I was told that the countertop extension at the wardrobe would be the same dimensions as the one in the kitchen, which is just slightly larger than 11"x18". The doorway space is a little bigger than 2' (I don't recall the exact measurement). When I visited ETI I measured 11" from the wardrobe and found that I could shimmy out the entry door sideways if necessary. It's not exactly the most comfortable thing and I wouldn't want to do it long term. In the picture that I posted, I think the countertop extension looks a bit bigger than 11" wide. The wardrobe is 40" from the floor to the top of the countertop and that extension looks bigger than 1/4 of the way from the floor, so I don't know exactly how big it will turn out. You may want to inquire on extension sizes if it's important to you. I'm about equally happy with either outcome, so I'll just wait and see how it feels when I pick it up. I can post my impressions after I pick up the trailer if that would be helpful.
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:04 AM   #1003
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Completed Build Sheet!

We signed off on our build sheet! Thank you Escapeforum.org. Pick up on July 11th! We could not have done it without your help. FYI to those working on their build sheet, all of the items below in [ ] indicate items we likely would not have thought of if we had not read about them on this forum. Bad thing is we kept seeing awesome ideas from you folks and since we're in it for the long haul we kept adding and adding and adding and adding . . . not sorry though. Can't wait to pick her up. We decided to name her Jinny after my mother-in-law who loved maps and travelling, but never went anywhere. Jinny passed on February 14, 2016, but she will soon be travelling the country with us! Safe and happy travels to all! Bill & Lisa Balli - Okeana, Ohio

[INSTALL CX PROVIDED COOKTOP]
[External Fridge Fan]
2 - Way Hot Water Tank (Propane & 120V)
[Foot Flush Toilet]
[Toilet Shut Off Valve]
[Winterizing T-Valve]
Exterior shower (Driver Side)
[Delete standard microwave cabinet INSTALL MICROWAVE CABINET BELOW COOKTOP]
1- Additional 120V Exterior Outlet- between door and Frt Wheel centered and even with standard exterior outlet
4- Additionai120V Interior Outlets 1) D/S Bench face front dinette, 2) P/S dinette bench
face front dinette. 3) Kitchen Face just below cooktop next to standard outlet #1 4) Bed platform beside bathrm door.
Dual 6V Batteries (225 amp hrs)
Inverter 1500W Includes Transfer Switch and all outlets *This Option will require Duai6V Batteries
160W Solar Panel with Charge Controller
Surge Protector
Removable Power Cord
2- LED Captains Reading Lamps ($40/each) 1&2) Rear comers of dinette
[LED Awning Light Strip]
[1- Additional Switch -Interior Light]
1- Additional Exterior LED Light ($75/each) Frt of Trailer Centered Above Belly Band
Air Conditioner with Digital Thermostat (11,000 BTU Dometic)
MaxxFan Upgrade 7500K (with remote) Smoke Grey
Stereo/DVD Player with four speakers
1A· dditional TV/Cable Ready with 120V Outlet DIS Dinette 0/H Beside Fridge Wall
Jack' TV Antenna (Includes TV Ready with 120V)
Extra Insulation & Frame-less Thennal Windows (Includes Opening Rear Window)
Opening Window in Bathroom (Frame-less Thennal)
Aluminum Rim Package (Includes 5 Aluminum Rims)
Power Tongue Jack
[3- Counter Extension ($85/each) 1) D/S Dinette 2) P/S Dinette 3) Bed area, wall of bathroom 4" above mattress when folded down from front about 12" back from the cornerofthe bathroom counter extension is 11"x13"]
[1- Reinforced Walls W6]
Exterior Access Hatch (Rear Driver Side)
Exterior Access Hatch (Rear Passenger Side)
Exterior Propane Quick Connect with 12' Propane Hose and Adapter
Spray Foam Insulation for Under Trailer
[SMALLER CABINET ABOVE MICROWAVE SWAP MICROWAVE AND]
WARDROBE CLOSET Cabinet Echosign re'cd 4-Mar-17 TO SEE PICTURE IN FILE]
[Mirror on wardrobe door]
[Additional Cabinet Door under Bed beside Bathroom Door INSTALL DOOR NOT
HARDWARE NO HOLES FOR HANDLE PROVIDE HARDWARE TO CX@ OR]
[DELETE SHELF OVER HEAD OF BED]
Storage Cubby Cabinet Bins for Outside Bathroom Door -now standard
Storage Box (Frant of Trailer)
Custom Flooring (12' x 13') Please note there will be a seam under the bed. EchoSign
Rec'd 31AUG16 SM Mannington Black Mountain Oack Fireside 130171
Custom Formica (Additional $100 for finish other than -58) Basalt Slate 3690-58
TRIM COLOR: BLACK
Custom Fabric (Single Fabric $100, AdditionalFabrics $50/each) 5.6m or 6.1yds * Please note fabrics with a repeating pattern will require the amount to be doubled (HEAVENLY MOCHA) SOLID Re'd
[FULL WRAP ON CUSHIONS]
Convert Bench Seat to U Shaped Dinette (Fabric Measurment Sm or 8.8yds. *Please note fabrics with a repeating pattern will require the amount to be doubled.)
[Do not install table -Install ex supplied pedestal install@ OR]
pCUSTOM TABLE 20"" front to back width to fit between benches for
bed conversion]
[1- 10" Filler Board with cushion]
[Custom cushion 20R front to back width to fit custom table]
[White belly band]
[INSTALL Customer Supplied Horst Probes (Install $25/each) rc'd 20-Feb-17 TO]
Graphic Color:Silver
2- Filled Propane Tanks (Included with Starter Kit)
E2 by FastWay Integrated Sway Control and Weight Distribution Hitch
1- Extendable Wall Mount TV Arm (For 15•- 22" TVs)
Fridge Fan
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:34 AM   #1004
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WOW Calbal! That is one complete package! Congratulations and Anticipations all around!
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:10 PM   #1005
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No pictures yet, but I just got bumped from October 4th to September 20 for my 21. I turned in the build sheet today. I'll post it tomorrow.
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:43 PM   #1006
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No pictures yet, but I just got bumped from October 4th to September 20 for my 21. I turned in the build sheet today. I'll post it tomorrow.
How exciting!! Congratulations!

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Old 03-17-2017, 08:21 PM   #1007
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Congrats Jon! Happy trails.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:49 PM   #1008
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No pictures yet, but I just got bumped from October 4th to September 20 for my 21. I turned in the build sheet today. I'll post it tomorrow.
Jon can make Fall NOG
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:15 PM   #1009
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:26 PM   #1010
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I got the rear permanent bed in my 17B so I had them move the counter extension to the dinette side of the wardrobe. Hopefully it works well.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:21 AM   #1011
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[INSTALL CX PROVIDED COOKTOP]
[Delete standard microwave cabinet INSTALL MICROWAVE CABINET BELOW COOKTOP]
[SMALLER CABINET ABOVE MICROWAVE SWAP MICROWAVE AND]
WARDROBE CLOSET Cabinet Echosign re'cd 4-Mar-17 TO SEE PICTURE IN FILE]
[Mirror on wardrobe door]

You are going to LOVE those changes! One piece of advice though; plan on installing a door stop/hold to keep the closet door from opening too far as the mirror can touch the handles on the refrigerator. Fortunately we figured that out before any incidents. Used the same device that is on the other cabinets - pick one up at Camping World or on line. Having the closet up higher is great too. Assume you're installing a flush cooktop? We're loving that too as it increases the usuable countertop by a significant amount. Great choices!
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:26 PM   #1012
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Thanks Dave. Great suggestion on the door stop - will definitely do that. I think we got a lot of these update ideas from you - THANKS!
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As promised, my build sheet for a 21:

Oven with 3 Burner Cooktop (Includes Bi-Fold Stove cover )
External Fridge Fan
Microwave (Built into Cabinet)
2 - Way Hot Water Tank (Propane & 120V)
Toilet Shut-Off Valve
Exterior shower (Driver Side)
5- 12V Drop 1) P/D O/H Cabinet 2) Rear O/H Cabinet 3) D/S Dinette O/H Cabinet 4)O/H Cabinet above Kitchen 5) D/S O/H Cabinet in Bed Area
3- 12V Interior Outlet ($50.00 each) 1) P/S Dinette Bench Beside 120V Outlet #2 2)
Face of Bed O/H Beside Bathroom 3) D/S Dinette O/H Beside Fridge Wall
1- Additional 120V Outlet 1) P/S Dinette Bench near Stove NOT WIRED TO
INVERTER
Dual 6V Batteries (225 amp hrs)
Inverter 1500W Includes Transfer Switch and all outlets *This Option will require Dual 6V Batteries
RUN CX SUPPLIED BATTERY MONITOR WIRES -terminate above fridge
160W Solar Panel with Charge Controller
LEAVE APPROX 5" TO LEFT OF SOLAR PANEL MONITOR & TANK MONITOR PANELS FOR CX INSTALLED BATTERY MONITOR
1- ADDITIONAL Solar Panel
INSTALL CX SUPPLIED SOLAR PORT -Rear of Trailer, Below P/S Brake Light
Surge Protector
2- LED Captains Reading Lamps ($40/each) D/S & P/S Rear Corners Dinette
INSTALL CX PROVIDED STEREO & ETI SPEAKERS
Removable Power Cord
Air Conditioner with Digital Thermostat (11,000 BTU Dometic)
Wireless Back - Up Camera Display Monitor wired with 12V Plug
FULL HEIGHT CABINET @ DRAWER STACK W/COUNTER EXTENSION
2- Shelves in Wardrobe Closet ($75/each) Evenly Spaced
2- Shelves in FULL-HEIGHT CABINET Evenly Spaced
Extra Insulation & Frame-less Thermal Windows (Includes Opening Rear Window)
Opening Window in Bathroom (Frame-less Thermal)
High Lift Axle
Power Tongue Jack
2- Counter Extension ($85/each) 1) Near foot of bed on bath wall 2) End of Kitchen
Beside Sink
Exterior Access Hatch (Rear Passenger Side)
Additional Cabinet Door under Bed beside Bathroom Door
Storage Box (Front of Trailer) -Returning CX
Convert Bench Seat to U Shaped Dinette (Fabric Measurment 8m or 8.8yds. * Please note fabrics with a repeating pattern will require the amount to be doubled.)
Customer Supplied Cell Phone Antenna (Install Only $100/each) -mounted on side of trailer as high as possible, terminate in D/S Dinette O/H
INSTALL CX SUPPLIED XM RADIO ANTENNA -mounted beside Maxx Fan on P/S roof, terminate in P/S Bed O/H near bathroom
DO NOT INSTALL TABLE OR PEDESTAL -INSTALL CX PROVIDED PEDESTAL @ OR
Graphic Color: Dark Red

Additional Options:
2 - Filled Propane Tanks (Included with Starter Kit)
Customer Supplied Umbra Hooks (Install Only at Orientation)
E2 by FastWay Integrated Sway Control and Weight Distribution Hitch
Rhino Sewer Tube Kit
Sand Pads (Set of 4)
Sewer Tube Adapter
X - Chocks
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:18 PM   #1014
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Jon, Thanks for sharing! It's fascinating to see how an experienced and skilled person puts a Build Sheet together.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:44 PM   #1015
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Great job, Jon. As a heads up, the solar controller if like mine shows a lot of info about the batteries. You can most likely access the user manual at gpelectric.com.
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:18 PM   #1016
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As promised, my build sheet for a 21:

Oven with 3 Burner Cooktop (Includes Bi-Fold Stove cover )
External Fridge Fan
Microwave (Built into Cabinet)
2 - Way Hot Water Tank (Propane & 120V)
Toilet Shut-Off Valve
Exterior shower (Driver Side)
5- 12V Drop 1) P/D O/H Cabinet 2) Rear O/H Cabinet 3) D/S Dinette O/H Cabinet 4)O/H Cabinet above Kitchen 5) D/S O/H Cabinet in Bed Area
3- 12V Interior Outlet ($50.00 each) 1) P/S Dinette Bench Beside 120V Outlet #2 2)
Face of Bed O/H Beside Bathroom 3) D/S Dinette O/H Beside Fridge Wall
1- Additional 120V Outlet 1) P/S Dinette Bench near Stove NOT WIRED TO
INVERTER
Dual 6V Batteries (225 amp hrs)
Inverter 1500W Includes Transfer Switch and all outlets *This Option will require Dual 6V Batteries
RUN CX SUPPLIED BATTERY MONITOR WIRES -terminate above fridge
160W Solar Panel with Charge Controller
LEAVE APPROX 5" TO LEFT OF SOLAR PANEL MONITOR & TANK MONITOR PANELS FOR CX INSTALLED BATTERY MONITOR
1- ADDITIONAL Solar Panel
INSTALL CX SUPPLIED SOLAR PORT -Rear of Trailer, Below P/S Brake Light
Surge Protector
2- LED Captains Reading Lamps ($40/each) D/S & P/S Rear Corners Dinette
INSTALL CX PROVIDED STEREO & ETI SPEAKERS
Removable Power Cord
Air Conditioner with Digital Thermostat (11,000 BTU Dometic)
Wireless Back - Up Camera Display Monitor wired with 12V Plug
FULL HEIGHT CABINET @ DRAWER STACK W/COUNTER EXTENSION
2- Shelves in Wardrobe Closet ($75/each) Evenly Spaced
2- Shelves in FULL-HEIGHT CABINET Evenly Spaced
Extra Insulation & Frame-less Thermal Windows (Includes Opening Rear Window)
Opening Window in Bathroom (Frame-less Thermal)
High Lift Axle
Power Tongue Jack
2- Counter Extension ($85/each) 1) Near foot of bed on bath wall 2) End of Kitchen
Beside Sink
Exterior Access Hatch (Rear Passenger Side)
Additional Cabinet Door under Bed beside Bathroom Door
Storage Box (Front of Trailer) -Returning CX
Convert Bench Seat to U Shaped Dinette (Fabric Measurment 8m or 8.8yds. * Please note fabrics with a repeating pattern will require the amount to be doubled.)
Customer Supplied Cell Phone Antenna (Install Only $100/each) -mounted on side of trailer as high as possible, terminate in D/S Dinette O/H
INSTALL CX SUPPLIED XM RADIO ANTENNA -mounted beside Maxx Fan on P/S roof, terminate in P/S Bed O/H near bathroom
DO NOT INSTALL TABLE OR PEDESTAL -INSTALL CX PROVIDED PEDESTAL @ OR
Graphic Color: Dark Red

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2 - Filled Propane Tanks (Included with Starter Kit)
Customer Supplied Umbra Hooks (Install Only at Orientation)
E2 by FastWay Integrated Sway Control and Weight Distribution Hitch
Rhino Sewer Tube Kit
Sand Pads (Set of 4)
Sewer Tube Adapter
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That's a great looking list. With terminating the battery monitor wires above the fridge, how difficult is it to get to them to install the battery monitor there? Also, what wiring are you supplying to ETI for the battery monitor? Are you planning to use the Trimetric?
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:35 AM   #1017
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Nice to see that Escape still provides the front storage box, "gratis" for returning customers, they did the same for me.
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Old 03-19-2017, 10:51 AM   #1018
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That's a great looking list. With terminating the battery monitor wires above the fridge, how difficult is it to get to them to install the battery monitor there? Also, what wiring are you supplying to ETI for the battery monitor? Are you planning to use the Trimetric?
I have a Trimetric TM2030-A that I will install after picking up the trailer (Escape will run the wire, but not do the install). I purchased the monitor as a kit, which includes the shunt, and a 25' shunt to monitor cable. They are leaving room over the refrigerator for it.
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Looks to me like someone's planning to be a 99.5 percent fulltimer.
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I have a Trimetric TM2030-A that I will install after picking up the trailer (Escape will run the wire, but not do the install). I purchased the monitor as a kit, which includes the shunt, and a 25' shunt to monitor cable. They are leaving room over the refrigerator for it.
How will you get access to your cable in the area above the refrigerator (and place and wire in the monitor) after the trailer is built? It appears to be all closed off there.
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