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09-28-2015, 08:38 PM
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#161
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Commercial Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia
Trailer: All Escape(s)
Posts: 833
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skogan
What Greggo is describing is exactly what our 2013 15a has. The tube was notched, bent, the 3 cut sides welded back together and a 1/4 inch plate welded on the back. There is definitely no weld on the outside of this bend/joint on our trailer. I am a journeyman welder, trust me, I know what I'm looking at.
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Can you attach a photo of your frame. Unless the frame shop was experimenting with your frame, all frames are miter cut and welded with a backing plate.
Reace
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09-28-2015, 09:19 PM
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#162
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 842
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jamman
See post #43. Bent = no recall.
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What is depicted in #43 is not the "bend" on my frame. The photo shows a sloping curve, mine is a complete angled direction change right where the bend is. I'm wondering if there were other vendors used to fabricate the frames. Like I said earlier, not all Escape 3" frames seem to be created equal. Just to be safe, I plan on doing the mod anyway, heck the more steel there the better, esp when somebody else is picking up the tab.
Greg
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09-28-2015, 09:45 PM
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#163
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Canmore, Alberta
Trailer: 2013 Escape 15A
Posts: 21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reace
Can you attach a photo of your frame. Unless the frame shop was experimenting with your frame, all frames are miter cut and welded with a backing plate.
Reace
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Will do. I was planning on getting in touch regarding the recall and our frame this week as well.
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09-28-2015, 10:04 PM
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#164
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Phoenix Metro Area, Arizona
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19
Posts: 767
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greggo
What is depicted in #43 is not the "bend" on my frame. The photo shows a sloping curve, mine is a complete angled direction change right where the bend is. I'm wondering if there were other vendors used to fabricate the frames. Like I said earlier, not all Escape 3" frames seem to be created equal. Just to be safe, I plan on doing the mod anyway, heck the more steel there the better, esp when somebody else is picking up the tab.
Greg
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I agree, yours does not look like the bend in Reace's picture. Is yours a really nice clean weld or a bend? I can't tell.
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09-28-2015, 11:55 PM
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#165
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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When Reace referred to the earlier (pre-2009) "bent" design, I believe that he means the intact tube was bent, so there is no cutting at all at the angle in the frame - not this cut/bend/weld three sides idea (which is valid, too... just not what was done on early Escapes.
This is what I saw in earlier Escapes (back in the days when all Escapes were 17 Foot). It is a smooth bend which cannot be made sharply so it is much more gradual than the abrupt corner shown on any of these recently posted photos. I see now (but had forgotten) that it seems to have a reinforcing plate on the inside (also barely visible in Reace's photo). The attached photo is the first one I saw (in a showroom in 2006), just for different perspective from the same thing already shown by Reace in post #43. This is not subject to the recall, and has no issues that I know of.
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09-29-2015, 12:04 AM
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#166
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skogan
What Greggo is describing is exactly what our 2013 15a has. The tube was notched, bent, the 3 cut sides welded back together and a 1/4 inch plate welded on the back. There is definitely no weld on the outside of this bend/joint on our trailer.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
It that is the case, I would wonder if the mending plate is needed.
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Even by this method, there is a weld across the bottom of the frame which is under tension, and is a potential failure point... possibly leading to a tear up the outside. The reinforcement plate reduces force on the bottom weld and reinforces the outside of the frame.
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09-29-2015, 10:23 AM
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#167
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: N/A, Indiana
Trailer: Escape
Posts: 976
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Well, we really need to give ETI credit for making the recall work and responding to costumer concerns in this instance.
Wewill ship the brackets along with instructions by the end of the week. Onceshipped we will provide you with an email identifying the mehtod of shipmentand a tracking number.
Pleaseremember to provide us with a copy of the invoice for reimbursement. Pleasenote after receiving feeback from several customers Escape Trailer Industrieshas opted to increase the cost for reimbursement upto $100cdn or $100usd.
Wesincerely apologize for this inconvience. Please feel free to forward anyquestions you may have.
TammyHarmatuik, Business Manager
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09-29-2015, 03:38 PM
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#168
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 842
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Reace and Tammy, you guys are the best! My kit arrived today, 2 day priority mail, includes everything I need with illustrated instructions.
Thanks!
Ps-after I posted this, I got a letter with more info and reimbursement instructions!
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09-29-2015, 06:28 PM
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#169
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Canmore, Alberta
Trailer: 2013 Escape 15A
Posts: 21
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I stand corrected. After taking a better look it is quite likely it was welded and ground smooth. It is actually easier to see the grind marks with the photo than the naked eye.So much for knowing what I'm looking at
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09-29-2015, 06:35 PM
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#170
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 842
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reace
Can you attach a photo of your frame. Unless the frame shop was experimenting with your frame, all frames are miter cut and welded with a backing plate.
Reace
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Hi Reace, looking up close, its really hard to tell. Its absolutely smooth with no grind marks. Apparently, they did a nice job grinding the weld smooth.
Greg
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09-29-2015, 06:40 PM
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#171
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Yellow Springs, Ohio
Trailer: 2013 Escape 19
Posts: 709
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Here are three of photos of the left side of our 2013 19'. This doesn't add much to the discussion other than I said I would post pictures, and now I can retract what I said earlier about this being something fancier than a simple miter joint. I was confusing the jack base as having something to do with the joint. Well, it sort of does. Looking at that doubler on the inside of the frame, I can't believe this joint is the weak spot in the frame though.
I am a rocket scientist, and I sometimes know what I'm talking about. Sometimes, I don't.
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09-29-2015, 07:47 PM
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#172
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: N/A, Indiana
Trailer: Escape
Posts: 976
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A little history from ETI describing the circumstances that resulted in the recall would be helpful.
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09-29-2015, 07:49 PM
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#173
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jubal
A little history from ETI describing the circumstances that resulted in the recall would be helpful.
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How would it be helpful?
Don't they have enough to do?
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09-29-2015, 07:51 PM
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#174
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 15,554
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo
How would it be helpful?
Don't they have enough to do?
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LOL... Almost exactly what I was about to post. I sure hope this doesn't mean our minds are melding.
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2015 Ford F150 Lariat 3.5L EcoBoost
2009 Escape 19 (previous)
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09-29-2015, 07:53 PM
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#175
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galesville, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 21 "Blue II" & 2017 Highlander XLE (previously 2010 17B "Blue" & 2008 Tacoma)
Posts: 4,234
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
LOL... Almost exactly what I was about to post. I sure hope this doesn't mean our minds are melding.
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Been watching old Star Trek reruns Jim?
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"Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance." George Bernard Shaw
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09-29-2015, 08:04 PM
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#176
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Yellow Springs, Ohio
Trailer: 2013 Escape 19
Posts: 709
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I agree that they have plenty on their plate right now, but I'm also curious about the background for this recall. I'm reminded of the issue a couple of years ago with some spare tire mounts not being welded correctly. I remember the video instructing us on how to test our Escapes by grabbing the mounting post and giving it a mighty pull. If it didn't break off, it was okay. This frame joint is clearly in a different realm, but I'm wondering if a few Escapes didn't have this joint executed correctly and the external doubler is a cure-all.
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09-29-2015, 08:06 PM
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#177
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Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,052
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I follow manufacturer recalls for motor vehicles... kinda fun! Just like the solar panel attachment points... a couple of failures makes ETI check it up. They care enough about their customers and the business to get in front of issues rather than waiting until lots of folks complain. Isn't that refreshing?
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Ten Forward
2014 Escape 5.0TA
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09-29-2015, 08:16 PM
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#178
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 842
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo
How would it be helpful?
Don't they have enough to do?
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Agreed. I was just thinking, what if we were dealing with Winnebago or Thor and trying to get anything out of them! HA! Fuhgedaboudit!
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09-29-2015, 08:27 PM
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#179
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Benton County, Iowa
Trailer: 2013 Escape 21 Classic Number 6, pulled by 2018 Toyota Highlander
Posts: 8,262
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Greggo
Didn't realize you were mobbed up. I'll start treating you better and hope you don't need a favor.
Dave
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09-29-2015, 09:25 PM
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#180
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 8,819
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Parker
Here are three of photos of the left side of our 2013 19'. This doesn't add much to the discussion other than I said I would post pictures,
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Well it's been an interesting thread for those who like to know these sorts of things. I hadn't specifically looked at that area of the frame previously so I'm happy to see the interior backing plate. Between that and a weld that's difficult to tell from a bend I'm confident that I won't be having any issues with that area.
For those with the 3" frame that have the mending plate added I think that the frame will also become free from potential problems.
Ron
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