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Old 10-10-2016, 10:00 AM   #1
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Reinforced walls

In searching posts re umbra hooks there were mentions of having walls reinforced during the build. I have a 17B on order - is this something I should be considering? 17Bers... have you had walls reinforced - which? I obviously need to learn more about this subject....!
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Old 10-10-2016, 10:17 AM   #2
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I did not have the walls reinforced for my two Umbra hooks (2+3). I hang a walking stick, keys, and coats on one and camera, binocs and hats on the other so no need. But you may want to consider it if you're going to hang cast iron pans on them.
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Old 10-10-2016, 10:52 AM   #3
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Darn... now where am I going to hang those cast iron pans...! How you are using your hooks is what I have in mind - keys, dog leash, walking stick, etc... Where did you put your hooks?
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Did you see the other Umbra hook that also has a small cubby for other stuff?
CUBBY MINI KEY HOOK & ORGANIZER NATURAL | Umbra
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Did you see the other Umbra hook that also has a small cubby for other stuff?
CUBBY MINI KEY HOOK & ORGANIZER NATURAL | Umbra
ooooh, I like that organizer! AND, it's available on Amazon... love Prime!


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Just bring the umbra hooks when you pick up the trailer and have ETI install them. They know exactly to put them where there is extra support behind the wall.
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:40 PM   #7
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It's not that there isn't anything solid in the walls to attach heavier objects too. There is and if you tap on the wall you'll soon hear where there's solid framing underneath. This shot of a wall in my 19 shows the type of wall construction.

As others have said most hooks etc. work fine without the wall being reinforced.

The only exception is a mount for a tv. In that case I'd want it to be attached to the underlying framing.

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ooooh, I like that organizer! AND, it's available on Amazon... love Prime!


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Just nabbed the last one in oak. Thanks, Donna D!
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Old 10-10-2016, 01:02 PM   #9
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Interesting, the size on Amazon is different than those on website....
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Interesting, the size on Amazon is different than those on website....
A mixup by Amazon I would guess. If you scroll down to product information it becomes 10.5 long again.
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Old 10-10-2016, 01:55 PM   #11
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Why Umbra?

Why do the hooks need to be the Umbra brand?
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:02 PM   #12
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Why do the hooks need to be the Umbra brand?
They don't. It's just that that particular style shown in most posts matches the oak finish in the Escape trailers. Umbra itself makes many different styles of hooks in addition to the oak-finished ones. Most any brand would work for this purpose as long as the product doesn't require excessively long screws to support it.

Here is the Umbra website:

Shop Wall Hooks - Multi Hook Solutions & More | Umbra

Edited: I bought the five-hook style and Reace cut it in two (2+3) and mounted them when I picked up the trailer. It has been noted in much earlier posts that there is a wire running through the unit so be careful if cutting them yourself.
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:04 PM   #13
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Why do the hooks need to be the Umbra brand?
Because they're cool...
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These are the umbra hooks in our trailer.
You can store paper in the beak, there is a magnet by the neck for keys, and hook stuff around the whole bird.
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:34 PM   #16
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Mine are all 3M Command hooks. They are attached with 3M adhesive pads and can be removed with no evidence they were ever there ( if you follow the instructions ).
Sometimes where you think is a good place for a hook isn't.
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:58 PM   #17
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We got the five hook natural, by Umbra.
FLIP 5 HOOK NATURAL | Umbra
Why (all the same reasons as others have stated):
-Totally cool
-Matches the Escape wood decor
-We were able to cut the 5 hook model into 3-hook and 2-hook pieces.
On our 17A we mounted one on each side of the doorway, up high, on the end of the overhead cabinet on the front, and end of the frig. wall on the rear.
On the end of the overhead cabinet, we used through-bolts, with fender washers (small hole, large diameter) and elastic stop nuts (nuts w/nylon inserts, so nothing vibrates loose over time).
On the frig. wall side, we used one through-bolt/washer/nut, and found one solid spot to use a screw. We countersunk the bolt holes, and used wood plugs over them to match the wood decor.
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Old 10-10-2016, 03:29 PM   #18
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I still have many months before I need to finalize my build sheet but I have decided not to pay for reinforced walls. That is a change from wanting all of the walls reinforced
I don't see ourselves hanging anything heaver than winter coats from any hooks I will install and if they are wet I would hang them from 3M hooks I intend to stick in the bathroom. I probably won't use a TV for the first year or two of camping trips and when I do I'll probably be happy just setting it on the table or counter near the door.
When I first heard about it I was imagining my trailer sitting under three feet of wet spring snow trying to collapse the roof, but as far as I can tell the reinforced wall doesn't add strength or rigidity to the trailer structure, it just makes it more convenient to screw in hooks so you can hang heavy objects; and it adds weight.

I don't know if it would be an additional 10 or 100 lbs. but that is weight I would be hauling over two or three mountain passes every time I make a pilgrimage to Steamboat or Pagosa Springs.

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Old 10-10-2016, 04:35 PM   #19
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ooooh, I like that organizer! AND, it's available on Amazon... love Prime!


https://www.amazon.com/Umbra-Mini-Cu...ANIZER+NATURAL
I like it too, but "usually ships in 1 to 3 months"?
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Why do the hooks need to be the Umbra brand?
I'm installing a coat rack that has a cat theme. Neither of us liked the look of the Umbras, so I looked for something else. Gee, is it any surprise I found a cat themed one? Nope!

Actually, I found two! One will get installed on the wall outside the bathroom by the bed (most likely) and the other is an over-the-door that might go over the bathroom door. I won't know till we get The Trailer as to exactly where all that stuff will go. If it actually does. The now-standard cubbies kind of throws a wrench in what I was planning.

I do know where the cat themed key ring holder will go though.
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