New truck for our new trailer

[Northerngirl]

Craiger wow! I have heard about the supply chain issues. I never realized how bad it actually is

I hate having to spend the extra $$

[JeffreyG]

Originally Posted by Northerngirl

JeffreyG, who is Stellantis? lol

Lo, the book of The Big Three 25:7

Chrysler begat DaimlerChrysler. DaimlerChrysler begat Cerberus. Cerberus begat FiatChrysler, FiatChrysler begat Stellantis.

Stellantis makes Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep branded vehicles.

[Northerngirl]

Very funny lol!

[Northerngirl]

Just found a 1500 Sierra Denali 4x4 diesel and the payload is 1436

Crazy the difference between it and the Ram

[brroberts]

2021 Ranger XLT 2WD scab, 1828lbs payload. I have cut into that with some accessories along with tools and gear, but I think it’s the minimum I can live with in a truck.

[Northerngirl]

I hear you! Ideally I'd like a 2500 with 2000 pounds of payload

[JeffreyG]

Originally Posted by brroberts

2021 Ranger XLT 2WD scab, 1828lbs payload. I have cut into that with some accessories along with tools and gear, but I think it’s the minimum I can live with in a truck.

It's kind of strange that the Colorado has about the same cargo capacity as most full-size, and the Ranger has more than most.

[brroberts]

Originally Posted by JeffreyG

It's kind of strange that the Colorado has about the same cargo capacity as most full-size, and the Ranger has more than most.

I think that’s because folks load them up with stuff we used to not have. When I started the shopping process there was an F150 max payload build that came in over 3000lbs. I considered it, but kept my old 2500 for such uses. It was 8-10K less for my Ranger build.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by JeffreyG

Lo, the book of The Big Three 25:7

Chrysler begat DaimlerChrysler. DaimlerChrysler begat Cerberus. Cerberus begat FiatChrysler, FiatChrysler begat Stellantis.

I would say Chrysler and Daimler begat the DaimlerChrysler, which are now estranged. The Chrysler part was adopted by Cerberus, but Chrysler ran away. Chrysler and Fiat begat FiatChrysler (FCA), and FCA and PSA (which had previously adopted Opel and Vauxhall, which had been abandoned by GM) begat Stellantis. Real family trees are easy compared to this corporate shuffling.

Originally Posted by JeffreyG

Stellantis makes Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep branded vehicles.

... and Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Citroën, DS, Fiat, Fiat Professional, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, and Vauxhall... and Ram (which isn't Dodge any more).

[Brian B-P]

I don't see any problem with a full-size pickup having only 850 pounds of payload... assuming that it is being used the way many people using these vehicles, which is as a big sedan missing the trunk lid (or complete with trunk lid, if it has a tonneau cover). The problem is with people choosing to equip one as a sedan, then expecting it to work as a truck. It's all about configuration options, such as payload and towing packages which increase capacity, and convenience and luxury options which use it up.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Northerngirl

Just found a 1500 Sierra Denali 4x4 diesel and the payload is 1436

Crazy the difference between it and the Ram

Those are two very specific trucks. Keep looking, and you can find a Ram 1500 with 1400+ pounds of payload capacity, and a Sierra 1500 Denali with 850 pounds of payload capacity. All of the brands have configuration options, and a resulting wide range of payloads.

[Iowa Dave]

Originally Posted by Brian B-P

I would say Chrysler and Daimler begat the DaimlerChrysler, which are now estranged. The Chrysler part was adopted by Cerberus, but Chrysler ran away. Chrysler and Fiat begat FiatChrysler (FCA), and FCA and PSA (which had previously adopted Opel and Vauxhall, which had been abandoned by GM) begat Stellantis. Real family trees are easy compared to this corporate shuffling.


... and Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Citroën, DS, Fiat, Fiat Professional, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, and Vauxhall... and Ram (which isn't Dodge any more).

What about Graham Brothers

https://www.allpar.com/threads/graha...motors.229473/
One must understand history if you are to be prepared for the future.

Iowa Dave

[Centex]

Originally Posted by Brian B-P

I don't see any problem with a full-size pickup having only 850 pounds of payload... assuming that it is being used the way many people using these vehicles, which is as a big sedan missing the trunk lid (or complete with trunk lid, if it has a tonneau cover). The problem is with people choosing to equip one as a sedan, then expecting it to work as a truck. It's all about configuration options, such as payload and towing packages which increase capacity, and convenience and luxury options which use it up.

Methinks there's a lot of truth in that particularly in regard to 150/1500 series light 'trucks'.

Methinks also that what dealers tend to stock in inventory and sales numbers, even prior to the current supply-chain crunch, suggest that manufacturers have a pretty good handle on what the majority of the market wants and needs in a 150/1500 series light 'truck'.

For the rest of the market (niche buyers like 5.0 owners), special order based on thorough research, realistic expectations, and working with a competent sales advisor can get you what you need in a 150/1500 series truck, though it may not be what you want if what you want is everything. If the latter is the desire, then the admittedly costly option with its own set of compromises one may have to exercise is a 250/2500 series truck. IMO.

You can please some of the people some of the time .....

[Meandering Minstrel]

1/2 ton is very adequate. We use a Ram 1500 EcoDiesel - plenty of power and the Ram 1500 won "Luxury Car of the Year" from one of the car magazines because it rides so nice.
I see Toyota Tacomas pulling the 5.0 too but I'd recommend something beefier.

[sofmerc]

Originally Posted by Brian B-P

I would say Chrysler and Daimler begat the DaimlerChrysler, which are now estranged. The Chrysler part was adopted by Cerberus, but Chrysler ran away. Chrysler and Fiat begat FiatChrysler (FCA), and FCA and PSA (which had previously adopted Opel and Vauxhall, which had been abandoned by GM) begat Stellantis. Real family trees are easy compared to this corporate shuffling.


... and Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Citroën, DS, Fiat, Fiat Professional, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, and Vauxhall... and Ram (which isn't Dodge any more).

Huh? am I the only dumbass who has no clue what this post means?

[gbaglo]

Originally Posted by sofmerc

Huh? am I the only dumbass who has no clue what this post means?

Probably. Brian is just pointing out that there is no such thing as an American car, or truck.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by sofmerc

Huh? am I the only dumbass who has no clue what this post means?

Just extending the joke about the bizarre evolution of auto manufacturers, and adding to the list of brands included in Stellantis, the huge auto manufacturer that most people have never heard of.

And yes, most of them are not traditionally American brands; Stellantis (the manufacturer of Ram trucks) is not an American company... if that matters to anyone.

[Bill and Earline]

The low payload (987lbs) was not even in the top six reasons we got rid of our Ram with a mere 64,000 miles on it.
480 tongue weight, 40 lb Andersen hitch, 80 lb tonneau, 40 lb running boards that I added, and then two adults, put us over the payload, if we wore shoes.

The rest of the reasons require two beers and two chairs, neither of which we could legally transport in the truck.

[Radar1]

Originally Posted by Northerngirl

JeffreyG, who is Stellantis? lol

We are going to get rid of it. It simply won't work

Fraser if it were up to him would keep it and remove the tailgate, spare tire, rear seats etc

But, we're compromising as it is with the 21, as opposed to the 5 like he wanted, because we justified that we could at least use the nice Ram boxes and truck box with the tonneau to carry lots of extra gear like a screen room for 'glamping'

We can easily sell the 1500. It's going to be painful to part with the cash for an equivalent 2500

The good news is that fairly new trucks are commanding great trade prices. Our 2019 Ranger book value is $5000 more than what we paid new!
The bad news is that new trucks are getting hard to find or get.
Strange that our Ranger as equipped has over 1700 lb payload capacity

[Iowa Dave]

Originally Posted by Bill and Earline

The low payload (987lbs) was not even in the top six reasons we got rid of our Ram with a mere 64,000 miles on it.
480 tongue weight, 40 lb Andersen hitch, 80 lb tonneau, 40 lb running boards that I added, and then two adults, put us over the payload, if we wore shoes.

The rest of the reasons require two beers and two chairs, neither of which we could legally transport in the truck.

I’ll have about 18 bottles do I need to get more? How about a jug? Guess we can go to town if we run out. Payload, that’s what my dad worried about when hauling bootleg alcohol in his model B 1932 Chevy. Another story.
Iowa Dave