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Old 07-12-2023, 03:16 PM   #181
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Something I've learned over the years, it may not have been abrupt at all, but could have been planned. Either because he decided it or the corporation decided and it may have been decided weeks in advance. There's no obligation to inform anyone of changing personnel at ETI.
Oh, I know there's no obligation, and there may well be restrictions on what Karl can say. That's why I said "It would be nice if Karl felt free. . ." Likely he doesn't.
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Old 07-12-2023, 03:20 PM   #182
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There's no obligation to inform anyone of changing personnel at ETI.
Right-and in Karl's case there likely is an obligation to not say anything via an NDA.
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Old 07-12-2023, 03:45 PM   #183
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All I can say is that if things continue as they are, this thread will continue longer than Karl worked at ETI
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Old 07-12-2023, 10:09 PM   #184
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I wonder if Escape will become part of the Tri West group (Outdoor Adventure) that bought Northern Lite and Off Grid? Perhaps...the RV industry is cooling quite a bit the past year. It appears this would be a great fit not only for Tri West but for the current and future owners of Escape trailers,
That would be a better outcome than what KV did with Campion boats. After a failed attempt at moving manufacturing to Mexico, they shut down abruptly last year and liquidated the assets.
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Old 07-12-2023, 10:14 PM   #185
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That would be a better outcome than what KV did with Campion boats. After a failed attempt at moving manufacturing to Mexico, they shut down abruptly last year and liquidated the assets.
Great. What are the odds that we'll end up owning fringe antiques like U-Haul campers?
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Old 07-12-2023, 10:23 PM   #186
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I guess everyone at ETI is under an NDA as no one is saying much and the videos and the QnAs have stopped. Dead stop. To sad.


Guess we'll have to do a wait and see.


Cheers..... Happy trails to ya.....
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Old 07-12-2023, 11:21 PM   #187
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I'd say the video's stopped because that was Harrison, Karl's son.
He did a great job and was so consistent and persistent.
At the rally, a trailer walk through or any other video, he was the production company with great results.
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Old 07-12-2023, 11:31 PM   #188
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I wonder if Escape will become part of the Tri West group (Outdoor Adventure) that bought Northern Lite and Off Grid? Perhaps...the RV industry is cooling quite a bit the past year. It appears this would be a great fit not only for Tri West but for the current and future owners of Escape trailers,
Curiously, both Off Grid and Northern Lite were acquired in 2017 and offloaded after five years in 2022. Escape was acquired in 2018, so the timing would appear to be about right.
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Old 07-13-2023, 06:58 AM   #189
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We bought our 19 in 2014. The kitchen window didn't close properly, we took it back the day after we picked it up and the problem was solved. Since then we've had an intermittent issue with the frig, but mostly it's been fine. During the planning stages I had several conversations with Reace who took his time explaining things and helped me make decisions about what to add on. Frankly, after reading about all the issues people have had, and the company's attitudes, I wouldn't buy an Escape now.
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KV has already sold or shut down three of the four RV brands they bought in 2017 & 2018. Why they did that surely is related to what is happening at ETI now.
This is sad. I wonder if Reace and Tammy would not have sold the company to KV if they knew this was a likely reality.
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This is sad. I wonder if Reace and Tammy would not have sold the company to KV if they knew this was a likely reality.
I'm assuming Reace and Tammy were biz people who took a chance to make money... They weren't a conglomerate , but the intent of starting a biz is return on investment.. They took the money...as they should.. Maybe it breaks their heart now but..
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You just never know what the future holds. When we talked to Tammy a few years back she said offers to buy the company came often and they had decided that they really wanted to sell to a Canadian owner if at all possible and not a Chinese company. So they did and they didn’t and it’s maybe ironic that it’s turning out the way it’s going but, “That s life, that what
All the people say, you go from 20 months of back orders in April to selling out in May With apologies to Frank.
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Maybe it breaks their heart now but..
Why would it. As a old saying says, there's a time to come and a time to go. I think that they knew it was time to go. Their efforts were a great success story but part of the success was that they grew into a much larger company with all it's management requirements and problems that come with it. What happens to ETI now happens, their legacy is that Escape brand trailers will be cruising the highways and byways for years and decades to come.

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Why would it ... their legacy is that Escape brand trailers will be cruising the highways and byways for years and decades to come.

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Well said and a wonderful legacy.
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What happens to ETI now happens, their legacy is that Escape brand trailers will be cruising the highways and byways for years and decades to come.Ron
Well said. Will be interesting how ETI changes. New company? New fiberglass mold speciality company? New factory in USA? All electric? So many possibilities.

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Great. What are the odds that we'll end up owning fringe antiques like U-Haul campers?
I don't understand the concern. Once a trailer is out of warranty, the existence of the original manufacturer doesn't matter much. The difficulty with U-Haul campers is that the running gear (suspension, hubs, wheels) is oddball, and thus it is difficult to get parts, but Escape only uses very common components such as Dexter Torflex axle/suspension assemblies.
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I don't understand the concern. Once a trailer is out of warranty, the existence of the original manufacturer doesn't matter much. The difficulty with U-Haul campers is that the running gear (suspension, hubs, wheels) is oddball, and thus it is difficult to get parts, but Escape only uses very common components such as Dexter Torflex axle/suspension assemblies.
'Concern' might be too strong a word. But it is kinda nice to think of Escape as a young and growing family, with strong ties between the company and its customers, who are also ambassadors for the product. Certainly clubs of owners form around orphaned products, whether vehicles or other artifacts, but the link to the company is lost.
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Old 07-13-2023, 05:30 PM   #198
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I don't understand the concern. Once a trailer is out of warranty, the existence of the original manufacturer doesn't matter much.
Tell that to the owners of Toyota trucks who are getting full frame replacements 20+ years after their warranties expired--ALL PAID BY TOYOTA! You think that happens if Toyota was no longer in existence?!!!

You don't seem to understand that if ETI is shuttered, Escape owners will have ZERO recourse for all future defects & issues that arise. Don't forget, there have already been 2 frame recalls (2015 & 2018) (see: https://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f...17b-23852.html)

Haul yourself over to the Campion boat forums; those people aren't happy.
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Hi: All... WoW... The "Oracle of Edmonton" has spoken!!! Doesn't understand the concern. Maybe it's an issue for those of us who are proud members of the ETI family of owners. Alf
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Why would it. As a old saying says, there's a time to come and a time to go. I think that they knew it was time to go. Their efforts were a great success story but part of the success was that they grew into a much larger company with all it's management requirements and problems that come with it. What happens to ETI now happens, their legacy is that Escape brand trailers will be cruising the highways and byways for years and decades to come.

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